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Apple iPhone 4 works over BSNL 3G in India

on July 2, 2010 – 2:33 am206 Comments

At FoneArena we know you users very well. We understand that a lot of you like to buy a phone when you are traveling. This holds good for brands like Apple which totally neglect the Indian market. So we decided to get our hands on the Apple iPhone 4 32GB Factory Unlocked (SIM Free) Model courtesy of our beloved friend from UK.

Honestly , the first thing I tried when I got hold of the phone was to hold it by left hand corner. The phone had a O2 UK MicroSIM inside and it was on International roaming and displayed Aircel. As you can see in the image below, the signal never dropped and showed full  5 Bars.

We headed back to our labs and decided to convert a spare BSNL 3G SIM card into a microSIM so that we can get 3G working on this phone.

We ran into a problem. In India some SIM cards such as Vodafone and Aircel have a smaller chip but Airtel , BSNL have large chips. So we had to be extra careful not to chop of the metal part. We finally managed to get a BSNL 3G SIM Card in the shape of the microsIM 3FF card. We will have a separate post with a video probably on how to cut your SIM into a microSIM.

So we got 3G finally working on the iPhone 4 and clocked almost 1Mbps ! Let us know what you would like to know about the iPhone 4 ? We shall try our best to find out .

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Varun Krish is a Mobile Technology Enthusiast and has been blogging about mobile phones since 2005. His current phones include the Nokia Lumia 800 and Apple iPhone 4S. You can follow him on Twitter @varunkrish and on Google+ You can also mail Varun Krish

  • johnpaul

    i would like to know wats the price of unlocked iphone4 32 GB model and what you have to do to get one?
    Thanks in advance.

  • varun

    man very nice testcase covered ..gud going fone arena and varun

  • navdeep baidwan

    hi i cant wait to get my hands on the Apple iphone 4, but i have been hearing some reception/signal issues with the phone when held at the bottom left corner of the phone so please let me know if that problem persists in India, and also let me know the expected launch date in India.

  • ud

    WOW!!
    Is iphone4 unlocked available in USA? At what price?

  • Nidz

    nuce one !!

  • aniket

    cn u plz tell me that where to buy factory unlocked iphone 4???or whn it will launch in india

  • Karan

    Hey!

    Nice work!

    So if I get an iphone 4 will someone be able to help me do this?

    Thanks

  • doshi

    i would like to know that if i buy factory unlocked iphone 4 from uk
    for india , would i be able to make regular upgrades of firmware that the apple releases through itunes directly??? will my phone get locked again if i would upgrade directly from itunes because in jailbroken devices such thing do happen!!!!!
    will all the features including facetime work in india

    will i get warranty for my iphone or will it get void as i purchase it from uk and use it in india?

    i would greatly appreciate your reply!!!!!

  • Ankur Gupta

    Hey,

    Do post a video or a step by step guide on how to convert a sim to a micro sim, as i also intend to use a BSNL sim on a iphone 4.

    Anyways, thnx for this post.

  • Praveen

    How much did the cost work out to be (in INR) for the Iphone 4?

  • aditya

    hi,i want to know the unlocked contract free price of apple iphone3gs 8gb,16gb,32gb in uk please tell me sir

  • TJ

    Yes actually 3G for quite some time & its in these real smartphones{ i am using Nexus one by the way} that u really feel what third generation services can do.Its {2G} is pathetic..

    I’m hoping that iPhone 4 this time may be launched with some contract system in India coz u have 3G rolling from September from different service providers otherwise we know the Price Tag will be too high and u can Get Desire,Nexus & Milestone in far far lesser Price

  • babul

    963kbps = 120kBps = 0.12MBps not 1MBps you moron. Don’t know difference between bites and bytes?!!

  • shankie

    i wanna knw bro can i use at&t bonded or any other sim providing IPHONE in India in any way pls reply me fast i despirate to knw if nt then tell me any other way. thanx

  • Jimmy

    Looking forward to hear from you weather there are issues of signal loss weather held in left hand specially.

    This ones making all the news currently.

    Thanks

    jimmy

  • http://www.fonearena.com Varun Krish

    No issues so far

  • vikram

    You blind b*st*rd babul .. the article says 1mbps and not MB/s . You go learn your bits and bytes first there is nothing called MBps its Mbps and MB/s.

    Go get a life , they are the first to get iPhone 4 in India and they are sharing details with us only to get comments from morons like you.

  • johnpaul

    Ur wrong Babul. I agree 963kbps=120KB/S. But its KB/S, not kBps.
    So when u write 1 mbps it only means 1000 kbps.If u want to convert it into megabytes it should be written like MB/S or MB/sec. So next time when u want to call someone moron, at least have the courtesy to check your facts.
    Still confused buddy?

  • johnpaul

    sorry vikram i didnt see ur comment….

  • rAg

    LOL.. good one vikram :) That will teach him a lesson :D

  • rAg

    There is no unlock yet for iPhone 4 so u cant really use a locked phone in india yet..

  • rAg

    @all who wants the price in UK..

    Apple is selling officially unlocked/factory unlocked iPhones at 499 pounds for 16gb iPhone 4 and 599 pounds for 32gb iPhone 4… these phones can be used any where in the world as they are unlocked by apple itself..

    France is the other country selling unlocked iphones right now. You will see more number of countries added to this list this month.

    Apple os kind of selling unlocked phones in countries where they have tie up with almost all the major carriers (like in UK, france, canada). So my guess is that even singapore, australia will be getting factory unlocked phones directly sold by apple this year. Lets wait and see..

  • Rohit

    Thank you Varun for this post. Very helpful and reassuring for users planning to get simfree iphones from abroad.

    I had the following queries –

    – Are there any issues in making the normal voice calls with the cell one SIM? Is the reception / voice quality a concern?
    - When i first setup my iphone over itunes what all needs to done?
    - Can you post a video / step by step images for converting the Mini Sim to a Micro Sim.

    Thanks,
    Rohit

  • ruth$

    hello..:)

    @raj i wanted to ask u regarding the unlock code for iphone4, i dont have any knowledge much about the unlock codes. i am going to US next week and wanted to get an iphone4, i guess the iphone 4 will not work in india right??.. if not iphone 4 will iphone 3 work in india and what is the procedure to unlock.. ??…

    thnx

  • rAg

    There is no unlock for iphone 4 yet.. anyways here is the status of unlocks for iphones..

    iphone 2g – unlock available for all firmware versions.

    iphone 3g – unlock available for all firmware versions.

    iphone 3gs – unlock available for all firmware versions which have old bootrom and only till 3.1.3 for new bootrom (that too if it is pre-activated)

    iphone 4 – no unlock yet..

  • http://www.fonearena.com Varun Krish

    You are the Pro when it comes to such stuff .. thanks for sharing !

    Users should stay away from AT&T iPhone 4s if they plan to use them ASAP

  • chetan

    hi,ruth u wrote u r going us next week when u will be returning,i want to buy some thing from there can u please bring it from there,please contact me at chetanshrivastav010@gmail.com

  • ruth$

    unlocking can be done in india also right??..how much will it charge me including the custom charges??

  • rAg

    he he he.. thanks bro.. Got used to helping out people all day long regarding iOS stuff ;) (orkut communities)

  • Mritunjay

    Hai varaun, tell me in india nokia phone is made in orignal finland or made in china?

  • Gurpreet Suri

    hi i wont to buy iphone 4 with BSNL

  • ruth$

    rag seriously u got great knowledge.. !! thanks a lot…

  • Blue

    Great News Thanks…

  • hitesh patel

    Dear sir,

    We can unlock the Iphone 4 and use in india which is buy form apple with AT&T contract.

    Please reply me.

  • Jaspal

    Hi,
    I have a Verizon Motorola Droid. Can we use it on Tata or Reliance? Though I have fairly good idea about GSM phones I have no clue on this. Thanx in advance.

  • http://boltzbiker.weebly.com Chirash

    Does iPhone 4 works in OLd 2G networks as well???? or only 3g??

  • http://www.fonearena.com Varun Krish

    it will work on any GSM network 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz or 3G 850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz

  • Nitin

    hey,
    can we unlock iPhone4 bought under the AT&T contract from USA and use it in India with any sim?? especially, Vodafone??
    Please reply asap!

  • Ramona

    Were u able to get tethering working with bsnl 3g?

  • don

    great news expecting more iphone news from u varun.can u plz tell me wat is the cost of iphone4 in UK(in INR)(unlocked).

  • chirash

    i asked for price in karol bagh(gafar) marky delih.. he told me 10 days for shipping and unlocking.. he was Rs..
    16 gb 48 k,32 gb 55 k

  • jacob

    hi
    i am planing to get an iphone from US . i want to know which one is better , iphone 4 of iphone 3 ?
    i also want to noe if i buy an iphone with the at&t sim will i be able to crack it in india ?
    also i heard sumwer that the sim card that is used in india is different from the 1 used in the iphone 4 , i hav an airtel sim , will i be able to use that sim in the iphone 4 ?

  • zeeshan

    okay my question is
    Will the iphone4 bought in US work in India?
    plz answer in detail..

  • http://www.fonearena.com Varun Krish

    it wont work as it’s locked to AT&T

  • nKr

    Urgent… Can I trim my Idea sim also ? I’m getting an iPhone 4 from USA. I’m expecting it in 10-15 days. Please respond quickly. TIA.

  • shubham

    my friend is bringing iphone 4 from america
    how can i use it in india
    as the unlocker is not available on internet for iphone 4
    please do reply soon

  • shubham

    if iphone is brought from uk
    will it work

  • http://www.fonearena.com Varun Krish

    yes

  • http://www.fonearena.com Varun Krish

    NO ! its it’s locked to AT&T

  • Akill

    Hi i have an iphone 4 n can i use bsnl or airtel sim caed in my mobile in India? if yes then how can i use it?

  • TJ

    I think,there is a lots of confusion among guys,listen
    1.) Currently unloced{that means w/o any carrier & contract} iphone 4 is available in UK,purchaase it there,bring to india,insert microsim & ur through.

    2.)US ones are locked to AT&T,wait for proper unlock & then ur through.

    3.)& if its the matter u find it difficult to live w/o iphone 4,then best to get it from UK.

  • Mritunjay

    My all dear friend my brother Prasant said me last night. Iphone4 is super flop handset relese by apple due to network problem.
    If you will take it you will also face same problem.
    So for only knowling apple’s phone it will good. It will just destroy of your money.

  • nKr

    Dude, I have not received any response for ma query. Please do reply for it.

  • Rajev

    Dear Varun,

    Thanks for the information. You’re doing such a great service to the mobile user community in India.

    A friend of mine is getting me an unlocked iPhone 4 from the UK, next weekend. (I dont know if the free bumpers will be available by then). Anyway, I want to ask you couple of questions reg. using the iPhone 4 in India.

    Appreciate your answers very much.

    1) Do you think that the antenna gate issues are related to only 3G networks? (I dont have any reason to think so but for thinking that you’d know better :) )

    2) Is it worth buying it now or waiting for a few months for the unlock to be available in India and then buying it as part of the AT&T plan in the US?

    3) Do you think Apple might try to fix the antenna (perhaps coat it with something) post september 30th?

    4) Howz ur experience so far been with the iPhone 4 overall? In short, would you recommend a fellow indian to buy it now?

    Thanks so much Man!!!

    Rajev

  • http://www.fonearena.com Varun Krish

    Dear Rajev,
    Thanks for the kind words !

    1) Yes . The antenna issue is related to mainly 3G networks. But i cannot reproduce the problem myself :)
    2) Get it now or wait for the next iPhone :) Factory unlocked is the best way to get it . No hacking and jail breaking required.
    3) I guess yes, apple might add some sort of paste or coating around the antenna.
    4) I love the iPhone 4 for the most part. The camera is good and HD video recording is the best we have seen so far ( in daylight) . Battery life is not great but its certainly better than the first iPhone. I would recommend the iPhone 4 along with the secondary backup phone to make calls :) )

  • Rajev

    Thanks so much Varun :)

    I’ll remember to hold on to my last phone … and try to get a 3G BSNL SIM for the iPhone 4 .. that way, I’ll be more safe, I guess :)

    Thanks again, I’ll come to you with more questions (comments) at one point again. :)

    Rajev

  • Akhilesh

    CAn anyone help me? i quite didnt understand what u guys mentioned. i alrady have the iphone whihc i got in uk n i am going to India soon n will i be able to put bsnl or airtel sim card in iphone4 n use it in India? can u please help me out!

  • http://www.fonearena.com Varun Krish

    You got to cut the BSNL SIM or Airtel SIM in order to use it in iPhone 4

  • Akhilesh

    will the 3g work too?
    sorry this question must be a silly one,..
    but the size of the micro sim is different than the normal sim, i mean the metal part, not the plastic part!

  • user

    please can u bring an iphone4(packed+unlocked) for me from uk,please…………

  • Raunaq

    no it won’t unless u jailbreak the phone because the iphone 4 in the states is locked to at&t ….. u should call it from UK as iphones are sold factory unlocked there …….. if helpful plz replly .

  • Raunaq

    U can jailbreak it if u want to …..

  • Akhilesh

    i’ll try to. let me know more details.

  • Akhilesh

    can anyone help me out please?

  • shankie

    HELLO IPHONE LOVERS,HEY VARUN I WANNA KNW WHEN U GET IPHONE4 from ur beloved UK friend then u had to jailbrake it or u r using it by just inserting cutted bsnl 3g sim n what r the limitations using unofficial launched iphone4 in INDIA.

  • Ambesh

    Hi friends i need iphone 4g or iphone 3gs . . . . Can any one give me the cost of both phones in uk . . . . . If it is locked then also ok . . . . . I will get unlocked here . . . . . I need the cost of iphones from uk . . . . How much it will cost in uk box packing locked . . . .

  • Amit

    Uk price: Iphone 4 cost £499 for 16GB i.e 35000 rs. The best thing is to buy from Uk factory unlocked phone. Dont buy from US bcoz it is locked to At &T. U need to jailbreak and if u need to upgrade version, it wil again lock. So buy from UK factory unlocked handset

  • http://buymicrosimadapter.com Jorge

    After that you may use a Micro SIM adapter to get your MicroSIM back into SIM slot :D

  • ambesh

    my friend sis told that its cost is to high near to 900 of 4g

  • http://www.chirayusoft.com chirayu

    Does iPhone 4 with bsnl 3g support video calling at 30 paisa / sec rate.

  • Amit

    Ambesh: buy from uk. U wil get factory unlocked handset for £499. When anyone wil return india VAT of £17.5 should be refunded.
    Chirayu: sorry to say, video calling i.e facetime works only if with WIFI. and the person with whom u wil do video caling should hav Apple iphone 4 and WIFI connection

  • shree

    3g will work on factory unlocked iphone4 provided you are able to cut the BSNL sim into a micro sim.

    good luck with your cutting skills ;)

  • Sagar

    Hey Varun, Ok so I got my bsnl 3g sim for 60 bucks, and did a 120 recharge. This was about 2 weeks ago, and I could not make any outgoing calls from a nokia n73, incoming was working but not outgoing. Now the SIM’s validity has expired as of today. Finally got my iphone 4 unlocked, and they told me to do a validity recharge. Its been about an hour and i still haven’t gotten the recharge. Could you please help me on what I should do??? The Cellone signal and everything is fine, just not working. Please help

  • karanvyas

    please give the settings u did for getting your iphone 4 working on bsnl 3g…the network>cellular data has a on off button and doesnt ask for an apn…please help..

  • Samuel

    i have an iphone 4. i have an airtel connection but when i cut to size of micro sim, i am unable to get the network whereas i did the same thing for BSNL and i am getting a good network coverage.

    is there any special recommendations to use Airtel in Iphone 4 that i need to follow.

  • Shathanand

    I picked up an at&t version of iphone 4 and trying to get it to work with vodafone. I cut the sim to the size specified but it still does not detect it?
    What can i do? What is the best way to get this working, I am in bangalore and really clueless right now.

  • amit

    I want to sell my iphone 3gs 32 gb for 26500 rs.
    Reason to sale: Purchased from US and used only for a month. want to upgrade to apple iphone 4. The phone is in excellent condition. Will give box and all accessories. U will never regret after purchasing it. only mumbai users call me at 9768272504. Price negotiatble. iF YOU ARE UNABLE TO CONTACT PLS DROP ME A MSG i will call you back

  • nishit panchal

    if i buy factory unlocked iphone 4 from canada and bring it to india and trim the BSNL 3G sim card or vodafome sim to micro sim via microsimcutter

    then is there any problem of activating here or using the iphone 4.

  • Samuel

    definitely u can use BSNL 3G sim card in india in an unlocked iphone4(i hav tried both in ipad and iphone4,it works). but i am unable to use airtel sim card.

  • chirag

    Hello evry1
    Next week i m returning to India from UK.I got iPhone 4. I live in Mumbai
    can anyone tell me which service provider’s sim card works flawlessly after cutting to Micro sim?

    Chirag

  • nishit panchal

    thankyou very much but you activated the iphone 4 here in india or it was activated somewhere else

    please tell me because i am confused if i bring the phone and trim the sim card then there is problem of activating. i have read some of the posts that activation problem , if you dont mind please give me your mail id i will contact you,

    please help me and thanks

  • Ravi

    My BSNL 3G card too works well on iPhone 4 but I’m having problems with face time activation… Keep getting the msg ” waiting for activation”. Any solutions??

    Thanks

  • Ravi

    MTNL should work fine in Mumbai. I have tried it in Delhi.

    Cheers

  • karanvyas

    ^^^ @ ravi – please tell me the settings u did to get your bsnl 3g working on iphone 4.the problem im having is ..i cannot edit my apn…please help..peace.

  • Ravi

    Setting> general> network> cellelur data network and just type bsnlnet on APN. There is no edit button there. The moment you press on APN, the keypad will appear…type and it will work. In case doesn’t just reset your network setting and try. Cheers.

  • nishit panchal

    ravi i want to ask whether the iphone 4 is working perfectly or not with bsnl 3g sim card and you activated the iphone 4 here in india with bsnl 3g sim card or some where elseand is there any activation problem

    please reply thanks

  • Chandru

    Hi Ravi
    I got iPhone 4 and I am not able to do edit APN because cellular data network settings option itself is not displayed on my iPhone 4.. Pls let me know if you can help.. Thanks

  • http://www.fonearena.com Varun Krish

    what sim u using ?

  • Chandru

    Bsnl..

  • karanvyas

    @ chandru

    im having the same problem.cant edit cellular data network..only a on off button.im using bsnl 3g sim

  • Sam

    Enter
    bsnlnet
    In APN SETTINGS
    Enter nil under username
    Enter nil under password
    Also go to the customer care office of bsnl and check they have activated your sim.
    Normally they take one day to activate the 3G simcard.
    This is my recent experience with bsnl office

  • http://www.fonearena.com Varun Krish

    where did u get the iPhone 4 from ? is it factory unlocked ? Whats the partnumber on the back of the box ?

  • ravi

    it works great, except that BSNL has a call drop problem. frankly, im using it only for 3G internet browsing and it works fine with it. the phone as such is great, specially the facetime application.

  • karanvyas

    @ ravi….are u using a company unlocked iphone 4 or did u get a carrier locked phone and unlocked it here …im not able use by bsnl 3g which i so wanna on this kickass phone..congrats on your new phone btw.great stuff.

  • Chandru

    Hey guys,
    I got fix for cellular network data settings option missing…. U need to install a patch from cydia… The patch is called T mobile mms fix… Follow the steps given in below to install patch..

    http://www.redmondpie.com/fix-mms-on-t-mobile-us-unlock-iphone-4-jailbreak/

    This fixes the issue… My iPhone 4 is working with bsnl 3G without any issues… Let me know if u have any questions ..

  • http://www.fonearena.com Varun Krish

    Chandru ,
    Jailbreaking might deplete battery life. you can also try http://www.unlockit.co.nz/ to create a new APN for your iPhone.

  • karanvyas

    does unlockit.co.nz work and is it safe.have u tried it?

  • karanvyas

    i downloaded the patch..but i still cant edit it..tell me the steps u did to get it started on your phone.

  • Ravi

    @Karanvyas … I got an unlocked phone from UK and initialized it with the BSNL 3G card. However, a friend of mine is using a locked one after jail breaking it and it too works fine. Just reset your settings and try it out. May just work. All the best.

    Cheers

  • http://www.fonearena.com Varun Krish

    its nothing but a apn creator :)

  • chirayu

    does video calling work in BSNL 3G in iphone 4G.

  • Chandru

    Once u download the patch restart the phone without bsnl sim.. Do it until the settings button appears … Later u can insert sim
    and complete settings…

  • http://www.fonearena.com Varun Krish

    nope

  • nishit panchal

    @ chandru i just want to ask that you activated the unlocked iphone 4 here in india with BSNL 3G SIMCARD or it was already activated and is there any problem using bsnl simcard such as call drop or something else problem.

    please help, if no problem i will tell my uncle to bring it for me from canada factory unlocked,

    if there is any problems then please tell me, and please tell me about the activation.

    thankyou very much.

  • karanvyas

    so i should : 1) download the patch without the simcard
    2) do the apn settings without the simcard
    3) reenter the simcard after i complete the settings.

  • Chandru

    To answer all the questions I travelled back from US last week.. I go iPhone 4 while I was in US…so I had taken iPhone 4 along with AT&T connection which is the only option to get iPhone in US… I had activated iPhone with AT&T
    And the phone was locked to AT&T carrier… if u have an factory unlocked iPhone which u get only in few countries like Canada or uk you should be able to activate the phone with bsnl sim… But if u get a iPhone from us u can activate the phone by AT&T sim only.. So if u r getting iPhone from us make sure it’s activated with AT&T sim or else there are other options which u need to explore… iPhone from us needs to be jailbroken and unlocked before u can use with Indian carriers… There are lot of myths about jailbreaking … Some are true and some are not… With the current jailbreak from cydia team don’t see any issues… With my experience with jailbroken phones I feel it’s absolute safe and these developers are intelligent than actual iPhone developers from apple..

  • Chandru

    *****ALL JAILBROKEN IPHONE USERS PLEASE DON’T UPDATE TO LATEST VERSION OF IOS 4.02 APPLE THIS WILL LOCK UR PHONE AND THERE IS NO JAILBREAK AVAILABLE FOR THIS VERSION CURRENTLY***********

    to answer queries related to video call… iPhone 4 supports video call called FaceTime … This only works with another iphone4 with wifi connection only.. But with jailbroken iPhone u can actually use FaceTime without wifi connection on 3G network… For this u need to download an app from cydia.. The app is called my3g which costs u $4… Pls follow the below link for more info.

    http://www.redmondpie.com/enable-iphone-4-facetime-video-call-over-3g-network-with-my3g/

  • Mon Wiss

    Jailbreaking does not deplete battery life.

    Installing application that have heavy background processes does…

    There is a big difference and no need to scare people ;)

    BTW, you can also install a LOT of useful apps that you couldn’t otherwise.

  • Chandru

    **** people getting iPhone 4 from other countries make sure u get either apple bumper or any other cases … This fixes antenna issues…******

    I am not sure if FaceTime works with other phones like blackberry in India… How ever I am pretty sure u can do video calling on 3G network with either Skype or Fring and yea quality is pretty good..

    @Karan yes the steps u followed should work..

    @others yes iPhone 4 works great on bsnl 3G .. It’s Better than AT&T connection in US.. Regarding call drops I stay in Bangalore so signal is pretty good and am not facing much issues…

  • nishit panchal

    @ chandru thankyou very much for replying, further if i need any information i will contact and please do reply, thankyou very much.

  • http://www.fonearena.com Varun Krish

    Meant to warn not to scare lol

  • Harish

    How do you unlock iPhone 4? I am in Chennai, India.

  • Karan

    i just bought factory unlocked iPhone 4 from singapore. Can i use facetime in India without jail breaking it? cause my phone could be on the new iOS 4.02 :( not sure yet. i am on Airtel in India. from what i have read on Internet, its only working on Carriers 7.02. i checked my iphone 3gs carrier and it says Airtel 7.0 :( Please reply if facetime on iphone 4 factory unlocked will still work in India with Airtel?

  • varun

    @karan congrats for ur new i phone …i also ordered it from singapore and shipment date is 30 august ..i wana know , Is apple deleivering it on the expected date. , i also wana know ..after how much time was the phone delivered to your doorsteps when your iphone order status changed to “Prepared for shipment”

  • Karan

    Hey Varun,

    i ordered it on 1st August and shipment date was 24th August and delivery date 26th August. Though i got my order shipped on 20th august and delivered on 21st August. DHL rocks! one day shipping from china to singapore.

  • varun

    @karan thanx for info and please tell after how much time was the phone delivered to your doorsteps when your iphone order status changed to “Prepared for shipment”. its 27 today and ordered on 6th it still says prepared for shippment i dont think it wil arrive by committed date 30 aug

  • nishit panchal

    @ karan i wanted to ask whether the airtel sim card is working properly or not and was there any activation problem and how much bucks you paid for iphone 4, i saw on internet that there is activation problem so i am scared of buying.

    you activated the iphone 4 in india with your airtel sim card or any other.

    plaese give me detailed information

    thankyou very much.

  • Sam

    Dear Mr Varun,
    I want to order the iPhone 4 online from the Singapore online apple store.
    Is it Okay to order online and will apple online stores Singapore deliver to Indian cities like Bangalore that too in unlocked condition thru DHL

    Please help.

  • http://www.fonearena.com Varun Krish

    They dont ship outside singapore.. best option is to get it delivered there and ask ur friend to ship it here. Beware of custom duties

  • amit

    I want to sell my iphone 2G 16GB. its in good condition. price 13400. I will give u some applications loaded. With box and all accessories

    1) Charger

    2) Iphone 2G 16Gb

    3) headphones

    4) Box

    5) Usb

    Oy mumbai people call me on 9768272504 or msg me if u are unable to contact me. Phone is in very good conditon. U will definetly buy it after seeing it. In 16GB u can load lots and lots of games, applications, movies, songs

  • Shreyash

    I also have iPhone 4. Call or msg me, we’ll do FaceTime on wifi. I gotta chk it
    09011111153

  • chirag

    i want MTNL 3g MUMBAI Prepaid setting for iphone 4?

  • Deepak

    what did u do after putting the bsnl 3g sim card into the iphone ??? i am asking this because some articles said that we have to sign up with the carrier . i am also planning to get an iphone 4 from uk. how is the phone in india ? thanks for your assistance …

  • Deepak

    pls reply soon.

  • Praveen Chennai

    Hi,

    I wish to buy iPhone 4, if anybody can suggest me from were can i buy an unlocked version, is it required to activate the iPhone 4 at the place of origin or can we activate here in Chennai(India). I already have iPhone 3g so i also have account in iTune Store, so is that enough to activate iPhone 4?

    Please do suggest.

    Praveen (Chennai)

  • RAKESH

    QUESTION FOR ALL THE EXPERTS: I am not very tech savvy.

    I currently have iPhone 4 with AT&T in US. I will be traveling to India next month and i want to use my iPhone 4 in India. Any suggestions about following questions.

    1. How to unlock iPhone 4 Version 4.1 ?
    2. Where to get sim card for India usage ? and What kind ?
    3. Do i have to sign up with carrier ?

    I am only going for one month in India and i only have 2 weeks left before i go.

    I would greatly appreciate any advice. Thank you all.

  • varun goyal

    1. How to unlock iPhone 4 Version 4.1 ?
    Answer : http://www.redmondpie.com/unlock-iphone-4-ios-4.0.1-4.0-with-ultrasn0w-how-to-guide/
    2. Where to get sim card for India usage ? and What kind ?
    Answer : Visit any small mobile shop and get airtel prepaid of Rs 50 and recharge it with desired amount . Now convert it into the microsim there at shop itself for max Rs 100.
    3. Do i have to sign up with carrier ?
    Answer : Unlocked phones dont need contract.

    Suggestion: Better dont unlock iphone because its just a matter of a month . actiavte your international roaming for the AT&T sim while traveling to india as next time an update comes from apple and u update ur iphone ur phone will again be locked to AT&T .

  • Inline

    I just thought I’d share my experience with an iPhone 4 in Delhi.

    First, I bought an unlocked phone in Singapore and a friend brought it here. The price is about the best in the world for a factory unlocked iPhone 4 (although not much more expensive than in Malaysia or HK).

    Second, I cut a Vodafone card, modelling it on a previously cut MTNL sim card. However, the SIM contact rectangle (gold part) is smaller on the Vodafone card, which I handn’t noticed, so I’ve rendered the Vodafone SIM unusable, even in Nokias, without touching the gold part! Just be careful with it, and follow models which exist on the internet, best to try to leave the right amount of space on either side of the gold contacts.

    So then I installed a previously cut (for the iPad) MTNL SIM and on Ookla (speedtest.net) am getting around 100-600 Kbps both down and up in South Delhi. Need of course to put in the right APNs, but the unlocked iPhones have no problem with this (Settings – General – Network – Cellular Data Network)

    In general, I find that while the MTNL 3G service is of course significantly faster than Vodafone or Airtel’s EDGE network, but that it takes longer to catch the network, and cuts out more frequently. Understandable, of course, given the reputation of the different companies, but I’m looking forward to Vodafone and Airtel’s 3G offerings this fall!

    @Rakesh: For now (19 September) it’s not possible to jailbreak it (and then unlock it), although the Dev Team has said that they expect (no guarantee) a jailbreak release in the future: http://blog.iphone-dev.org/

    My suggestion would be to get a basic Nokia smartphone and use it while you’re in India (if you need 3G get a basic prepaid MTNL / BSNL SIM card and pair it with a 3G topup- very reasonable prices for 3G), and use the iPhone on Wi-Fi!

  • Hiren

    I have a question. Can i purchase a iphone 4 factory unlocked from USA, if it is unlocked does it mean it is activated. Or should i buy it from ebay who is selling a unlocked iphone, but will this also be activated.

  • Rajiv

    Good to know MTNL / BSNL works on iPhone4.
    I mean I knew it would work, but I was wondering about Facetime.

    I have an iPhone 4 with a Tata Docomo connection but Facetime won’t activate. It works just fine with my Vodafone card though.
    Have you guys tried Facetime with MTNL/BSNL sims ?
    Cause I will take your word for it and go out and buy one right now :)
    Also, if you enable 3g in Network settings and use it, how fast does the battery deteriorate compared to regular edge ?
    Thanks in advance for your reply :)

  • Inline

    Hi Rajiv, I have an iPhone 4 on MTNL but haven’t tested Facetime yet. If you’d care to send me an email to inline888@gmail.com, and use your Vodafone SIM in your phone, we could both confirm that it works.

    On battery, 3G degrades it a fair bit, I still make it through the day, but have to be a bit more careful if I start very early.

  • Rajiv

    Sending you a mail right now.
    And I have the Vodafone sim popped in !
    I can Facetime with it just fine.
    Does your phone show ‘Waiting for activation’ or not ?

  • Tarun

    hi Rajiv,
    i have a factory unlocked iphone, being trying to activate facetime from past one month on a vodafone prepaid sim but no success, have tried each and everything as mentioned on different blogs. how did you manage to activate facetime on your vodafone. is is prepaid or postpaid sim that you have and which circle. i am in UPWest.

    Tarun

  • dinesh

    Hi Rajiv, I have an iPhone 4 os4.1 jaibreaked.
    not run bsnl 3g,
    pls help,
    mail me setting

    dineshkhoiwal@gmail.com
    dinesh_khoiwal@gmail.co.in

  • Samrat

    Rajiv and others, please mail me the settings and steps of vodafone and bsnl facetime activation. And can I call over to other phones that is video calls to other phones??
    samrat_nema@yahoo.com

  • Funguyin

    Guys,

    I just jailbroken and unlocked iPhone4 on iOS 4.1. Using the micro sim from airtel (yes, they have the Micro SIMs) and phone works good.

    Asked to activate GPRS and they did, but it is not working as there was no way for me to set the APN configuration.

    Finally found a tool to install the APN details (iphone configuration utility by Apple), and the internet worked only for few minutes and then stopped all of a sudden.

    Since then only the mail works some times, but nothing else.

    Any idea how to fix the issue?

    Thanks,

  • sam

    @Funguyin

    What price did you buy iphone 4 from usa and is it 16 gb or 32 gb ??

  • Inline

    Hi Samrat,

    I’ll leave the activation steps to anyone who’s already done it!

    As I’m on MTNL, I haven’t seen it work yet.

    Regarding making calls to “other phones”, I assume you mean phones other than iPhone4s and the new iPod Touches. I also assume you haven’t jailbroken your phone. If that’s the case, the applications that seem to do it are the new Yahoo Messenger app for iPhone, and Tango, both of which work phone to phone. Yahoo also works mobile to PC (windows), but not to Macs, much consternation in the apple world expressed….

  • Amit

    @FUNGUYIN

    in APN type: aitelgprs
    click on network at the top and go to home page. than switch off and switch on your handset. your mobile office service will work and call airtel people and tell then to send u the settings. though u will not receive setting on iphone but it will work if u activated the service by following the procedure. Tell me if it doesnt work.

  • Chandra

    Hi,
    Do the factory unlocked iPhone support facetime over 3G OR it will work only over WIFI ??

    Regards

  • varun

    It will work great dude dont worry go get it

  • Siddharth

    Varun can u tell me wat settigns u did to make the bsnl 3g work for iphone 4. I tried lot of settings as suggested by bsnl guys nothing seems to work. Thanks !

    Regards,
    Sidd

  • ali jaffer ismail

    Hi !!

    I’m planning to get a iPhone 4….so should i buy the unlocked iphone 4 from singapore or should i go for gaffar market in delhi….ll the one from singapore work without any glitches…and if i buy one from singapore then wat all i ll be required to do to make it work in Delhi??…plz help.

  • http://www.fonearena.com Varun Krish

    you mean gprs / 3g ? use bsnlnet as APN .. leave everything else blank you can DM me on twitter @varunkrish if you want further help ! cheers

  • anil singh

    Dear Varun, I have got commitment free iphone 4 from canada, as in india there is no way to get the micro simcard from any of the carrier, so i got three simcard from different carrier like, VODAFONE, AIRTEL, and AIRCELL, I converted them in micro sim card by the help of sim cutter and got fitted exactly in the sim slot, but when i rebooted the iphone 4 its say’s NO SERVICES, i dont understand what is the issue with iphone 4, if you can guide me through this it will be highly appreciated.

    regards

    anil singh

  • http://www.fonearena.com Varun Krish

    I suspect these things ,

    a)SIM not active
    b)SIM not cut properly(did you cut off metal portions) ?
    c)phone is locked

    No service mostly indicates SIM is not seated properly or phone is locked. mail me varun at fonearena dot net for any help

  • Siddharth

    Anil,

    Commitment free is diff from factory unlocked ones. Even if u get commitment free IPhone u need to jailbreak & unlock to make it work here. I got commitment free Iphone from US after jailbreak and unlock it works. Iam using BSNL/ Tata docomo. Thanks !

    Regards,
    Sidd

  • Siddharth

    I tried with bsnlnet as APN for bsnl 3G nothing seems to work. I guess its prob with IOS 4.1 after jailbreak. Let me try to restore and jailbreak from fresh and try it out. Thanks for help Varun.

  • Chris

    Hello Varun and Anil.

    For information, while I have a functioning MTNL card in my iPhone4, I have not succeded in making a Vodafone SIM work, getting a “No Service” sign. I know, however, that others have both had Airtel and Vodafone SIMs (and I think also Tata DOCOMO) working on iPhone4s (and iPads). The difference, of course, is in the size of the chip. It’s quite easy to do MTNL/BSNL because of the size of the gold plate, you just cut around the edges, chip off the corner, and voila, you’re done.

    But the smaller ones are trickier, because you need to know which side to give more room to.

    So, my request, can you or someone else, please post photos of a working Vodafone and Airtel cut SIM (and why not Tata DOCOMO as well!) so we can see what it looks like, including a picture of it inside the SIM tray. This would help us to see if we’ve cut it wrong or if it’s another problem.

    I’d also be interested in seeing SIMs cut from machines vs SIMs cut by hand.

    The reason I mention this is that I’ve tried twice with Vodafone SIMs without success (No Service each time), but I’ve not had any problem cutting 4 MTNL SIMs!

    Thanks very much!
    Chris.

  • deepak

    hey man i hav bsnl 3g sim card which i use in iphone 4 but sometimes when i try to access internet , it says “internet cellular data could not be accessed” .sometimes even when i switch on 3G it shows only an ‘E’ on the top and not ’3G’.do u hav any problems like this . what am i supposed to do . thanks.

    regards,
    Deepak…

  • http://www.fonearena.com Varun Krish

    the problem is with the 3G coverage in your area

  • Deepak

    Sometimes it also says ‘could not activate cellular data network’ and ‘safari cannot open the page , the error was “a data connection is not currently allowed”‘. hav’nt u experienced any thing like this ???

  • KAMAL SINGHVI

    SIR, I AM USING APPLE IPHONE4,MY CONNECTION FROM BSNL,I COULD NOT GET GPRS SETTING ON MY HANDSET,SEVRAL TIMES I SPEAK WITH SERVICE PROVIDER,THEY ARE ALSO UNABLE TO GIVE GPRS SETTING,WHAT CAN I DO NOW

  • http://www.fonearena.com Varun Krish

    you can’t get settings from BSNL. you have just enter access point or APN as bsnlnet in cellular data settings

  • gaurav

    Hi ,
    i recently got a iphone 4 from Canada.
    How can i come to know if its commitment free or factory unlocked?
    if i cut the sim will it actually work with a Vodafone sim or does it only work with specific sims???
    Where can i get it unlocked or the sim cut in delhi??

    thanks
    Gaurav

  • Ankur

    Hi Gaurav,

    If you are delhi, you can get a micro sim for vodaphone from their outlets. So need to cut that yourself. Another thing if it works with your iphone, it should be probably factory unlocked. You can check with another carrier sim to be more sure about it.

  • akash

    A friend is sending me an iphone from Canada. Should i ask him for a factory unlocked or commitment free one? i have an idea fancy number and i dont want to change my number. is it possible to cut idea sim card?

  • Ankush

    Hi all I m using my iphone4 factory unlocked with idea sim n I cutted my sim at home only using kitchen vegetable cutter n I after wards jailbreaked it at my. Home only and now I am enjoying it it’s fun to do everything at home Internet setting for idea is apn internet now can anyone help me out for vedio calling

  • adarsh

    hi sidharth r u using i phone in india using bsnl sim card . how u converted that sim to microsim card

  • Shiv

    I am using a factory unlocked iphone4 from uk. The 3G bsnl sim which i am using, woks fine on other nokia sets, but is not working on my phone…neither the 3G nor the GPRS….Can anybody guide how is it possible…APN setting was set as bsnlnet but still it does not work….

  • Dheeraj

    Siddarth,

    iPhone 4 unlock is available only for upto iOS 4.0.2 and you should not update it to iOS 4.1 because iOS 4.1 have only jailbreak tool and you can’t unlock iOS 4.1
    Because Apple also updated the BaseBand on iOS 4.1,so there is no unlock for iOS 4.1. So you need to Downgrade the firmware to iOS 4.0 or 4.0.1 or 4.0.2

    THANKS.

  • AU

    I have an iPhone 4 (factory unlocked) on Vodafone.
    I feel like 499 for 250 mb of usage is too much but I also don’t wish to switch to MTNL or BSNL.
    Is there anything I can do for unlimited EDGE on the iPhone 4?

  • SAM

    i just bought the iphone4 factory unlocked from Singapore and i am running it with a reliance network in india. Facetime is not being activated no matter how much i try, i even tried to reset my phone. SMS MMS is also activated and it says i have a reliance 8.0 version but it keeps saying “waiting for activation” .
    i have seen my friends use facetime with thier Vodafone IN network. Please help.

    I have wasted 25 rs till now to send 5 intl . sms but it is still showing “waiting for activation” ……

    What to do ??

    Plz help ……

  • ravi

    how to get bsnl 3g gprs settings for apple iphone4?

  • shailessh

    hiii ankush,
    actually a friend of mine brought an iphone 4 from us which is locked and u said u have unlocked the iphoneat home
    can u tell me how have u unlocked it at home coz i have searched on net the unlock is not available
    pls mail me at shailessh.dhuriya@gmail.com
    thanks,
    shailessh

  • Chai

    Hello,

    I am planning on buying an iphone 4 from USA. Will it work in India properly? The people here told me that the phone is made a little differently to suit the countries needs. Can you please advise me on whether or not to buy from US?

    Thanks.

  • Andy

    Can anione here help me.My friend will be sending a iphone4 refurbish from US which will be locked with AT&T.Shud or can i buy refurbish.The post here says that many people have bought iphone4 from US but r they refurbish or New fresh Iphone4.Pls help Help

  • LP

    Hi Sam…i too planned to buy t phone in Singapore…
    But my friends say in US its cheaper,they can help me to get too.but am confused as US needs to unlock/jailbreak etc. but t singapore one is factory unlocked and direct to use anywhere.
    wat do u suggest? are u facing any issues…
    ur advice is highly useful, pls mail to prabhuloganathan29@gmail.com

  • sai

    Hi All,

    My brother bought a latest iPHONE4 from USA. Please tell me weather we can use it with all facilites liek Internet,MMS etc.,

  • Naresh

    BSNL 3G works with Iphone 4 and also the IPAD….

    All u need to do is :

    1. Once make the BSNL SIM into Micro SIM
    2. Go to Home menu -> Settings -> General -> Networks -> Enable 3G
    3. In the same menu, Cellular Network -> apn: bsnlnet, Leave all the other fields blank (i.e username, password etc)
    4. Go to Safari and enjoy surfing :)

    To check for the usage u can look up in Settings -> General->Usage-> Cellular Data

    I hope this helps…

    I got a speed of 1.5Mpbs in the night

    :)

  • chaitu

    hey hi ths s chaitu 4m andhra pradesh….is iphone 4 avaliable in india….? does i phone has normal applications & i phone support indian networks and 3g ……? plz rply 2 my mail.id:- babloo.chaitu@gmail.com

  • avjinder

    Hi Deepak. i have the same problem as yours.i am using iphone 3gs with ios 4.1 and baseband 6.15.00. i have tried apn:bsnlnet, but it doesn’t work. i get an “E” at the top instead of 3G. help me if you can.

  • abhi

    hai
    can airtel sim be used in iphone4..?is it good to buy iphone from us or canada..??and plz suggest the type unlocked or contratfree…???? plz mail me your suggestions..
    abhishek_n3657@yahoo.com

  • Shiva

    Hi

    Can u pls tell me how to conver the BSNL regular SIM into Micro SIM ?

    Shiva

  • SK

    Hi,

    I have an iphone 4 which is jailbroken and running cydia. I installed ultrasn0w and I still donot get the phone working. It says it is unlocked. But nothing happens. Service not found message is all I get. Can you direct me in the right direction please?
    -SK

  • http://ORKUT SAI HEMANTH

    HELLOW FRIENDS PLEASE AND PLEASE IAM BEGGING ALL OF YOU…ILL CATCH YOUR FEEEET PLEASE ANSWER ME………..IAM IN BANGALORE SO I BROUGHT IPHONE 4 at&t….SO I HAVE JAIL BROKEEN MY IPHONE YESTERDAY……SO NOW IT IS UNLOCKED……SO I HAVE INSERTED AIRTEL GSM SIMCARD COREECTLY…..SO IT IS NOT SHOWING NETWORK THERE IS NO NETWORK…….SO PLEASE IF YOU WANT ILLL GIVE 2000RS………….MY MOBILE NUMBER IS 8553636685

  • suman

    hi i have iphone 4 in u.s right now and its jailbreak, will it work in india,i m going india next month my family in india use bsnl, do i have to cut the sim? india doesn’t carry those small kinds of sims?

  • Amit

    Hi Suman,
    In india, airtel is the service provider who has micro sim card. For others, u need to cut it. Suman can u help me. At what price u purchase iphone 4. Can u bring for me. I wil pay u cash

  • anil

    hi amit, i have iphone 4 black 16gb, i have never used it for single day, it is commitment free and from canada as i m staying in bandra, mumbai so if you eager to buy and staying in mumbai then do email me at anilsingh650@gmail.com

  • wills

    hi i would like to know something, my partner is hiding one number from me….i saw the sim.. it looks like vodafone….the number i have is aircel…

    can someone tell me does aircel and vodafone sim look same or are they same????

    please help.

    i have the sim card number from behind the sim… can i get the mobile number from ther…

  • KUNAL

    will vodafone sim if made micro sim work on iphone 4 in india

  • cvrao

    Hi Iam using BSNL 3g for my Apple iphone 4g,I want to know wheather iphone 4g is having access bsnl 3g services in India

  • Ankur

    Have you even read the post before posting the comment here?

    Even the post heading says it all.
    And there is no iPhone 4g, it is iPhone 4.

  • Ponnovian

    Hi I have bought an Iphone 4 form USA. I have Unlocked it. I was using it with TMobile in USA. I cut the normal SIM to Micro SIM and used. When i came to India, I tried the same in Vodafone, It was not successful. Finally I got a microsim in Vodafone store and now my Iphone is working fine for Voice. However I am unable to use it for data. I am not sure about the settings. Can anyone help me on this
    Regards
    Ponni

  • Ramachandran

    Hi Ponnovian,

    Even i bought a new iphone 4 in USA. Can u pls tell me how did u unlock it ? did u unlock in USA or in India ?

    any help will be appreciated.

    thanks
    rams

  • Amit

    I want apple iphone 4 16gb or 32gb for myself. I am ok to purchase if it is locked or unlocked. Anyone coming from U.S, UK or singapore, pls can bring 1 piece for me in india. I stay in mumbai. Wil meet and pay cash. I am ready to purchase second hand iphone 4 also. Mail me at amit.male@yahoo.co.in

  • Kainaz

    Hi Amit,

    I have an iPhone 4, 16gb, unlocked, I am wanting to sell. It is used for 5 months but works perfectly fine and looks as good as when I bought it. There is no damage to it whatsoever and the accessories are untouched.

    If you are still interested mail me at kainazkatrak@gmail.com

  • Akhil

    Hi am using iphone4 on 4.2.1. Its jailbroken and unlocked. Using vodafone in mumbai and have 3G activated. Vodafone says that for 3G to work the phone needs to be in dual band. Any idea what that is?

  • Arun

    You need to enable Both GSM and WCDMA to make 3g work.

  • Prasad KVS

    Hi Anil,

    Is this still valid, it the Apple iphone still avaliable, if so i am interested, plz share me the specifications and the price.

    Regards
    Prasad KVS
    M: 9885706407

  • bharat

    Hi,

    My brother sent iphone4 16gb from uk. can any one help me to unlock it.

  • bhavu

    hi,
    i am going to purchase iphone 4 from US.
    is it properly work in india with Airtel or if i unlock it then is it work properly please reply on dev51deva@gmail.com
    thnxxxxx

  • unni

    hai ,
    i am going to buy a i phone-4 in usa. so plz tell the procedure like what are the factors have to consider and what are the details have to ask mobile shop.
    and currently i dont have any indian sim cards. from next month shall i use that mobile in india? and which network is good?
    plz suggest friends…

  • Siddhartha Saha

    I have iPhone4 both 8GB and 16GB factory unlocked sealed pack at price that is same as that in UK or US (inc. taxes). I am currently in Andheri, Mumbai. If any one interested can contact me at my mobile 9930085737.
    Limited stock call fast…….

  • Siddhartha Saha

    Do not buy if the price is too high u can get it here. With the same price…….
    iPhone 4 8GB & 16GB available..

    Contact :9930085737

  • Raghu

    Hi varun,
    I hav a factory unlocked iPhone 4 which I use on bsnl wit 3G.ihav a very unique prob.the data service works fine and even touch speeds of 2 mbps.the prob is wit my voice calls.when people cal me the phone is not reachable even though my iPhone shows full signal.I hav changed the sim and I hav also changed the iPhone.other networks work fine.the prob is only with bsnl.pl help.

  • kian

    hi raghu,

    can u tell me,from where u got the micro sim for iphone 4??im lookin to get 1 in hyderabad,AP.

  • Raghu

    Hi kian,

    M not using a micro sim.one of my friend in h’bad got it from main bsnl office at Lakdikapul.

  • Sunisur Invst

    Trying to get FaceTime on my unlocked iPhone 4. I got it in Dubai. My carrier is vodafone which supports it. However there is no icon of FaceTime ,neither in settings. Pls help.

  • Taranath

    No need of micro sim just ask some professional to cut your 2g or 3g sim for microsim. I am able to cut myself both 3g and 2g sim to micro sim using a knife. go through Youtube clips. It need not fie excactly in the slot approximate is ok. but try with unused sim first.

    Taranath

  • Taranath

    It will work in india with any sim but you have to use Gevey sim with your sim. refer some youtube clips. you can ask some one to jail break and cut your sim 2g or 3g to microsim….all the best

  • Gagandeep Singh

    Raghu can u please tell me setting of 3G 

  • Manav nathani

    I have buyed an iphone 4 from usa with at&t contract and i want to use it in india…

    will i have 2 face any problem of network and related…?

  • Subbakrishna MV

    I have an iPhone4 not jailbroken. It’s working okay with Airtel 2G and
    3G. Does it work okay if I migrate to other service providers such as
    BSNL/Vodafone etc?

  • Sham

    Got a vodafone sim. How to cut it so I don’t have to buy a microsim??
    Thanks

  • Tusharsharma102

    i m planning to buy an unlocked iphone 4s from canada, all i want to know is that 

    will it work in india.I came to that there is some problem with the bandwidth.
    I dont know what it is, can anyone please help me????